Well, It Worked

Remember the movie Reefer Madness? It was a propaganda film made to discourage smoking the evil weed.

I am not celebrating my behavior, just telling truth. We’d watch it repeatedly while cackling and laughing raw throated from smoking the subject herb. It was ineffective as a deterrent.

Truth again, my motive here was 50% the humor. I mean no disrespect to those people in the example and will therefore not identify the source.

Christians sometimes take a Reefer Madness approach to teaching youth. I am not offering some new age alternative or recommending befriending children as peers or any of that. But this I had to share.

A Christian parent is telling how they would create situations and then train their kids how to handle them, writing mini scripts and showing how to respond. So the teen aged girl, raised under this teaching, had a boy say he’d like to kiss her. Paraphrased dialog:

The girl said “no you’re not gonna do it”. The boy replied, Yes,I am”

The girl sternly said NO YOU ARE NOT because “ you are like a reed blowing in the wind, and I am a steel pole set in concrete.” She’d learned Psalm 1 , sort of.

Is there a bit of Reefer Madness in that?

Plus…..I was thinking, under the circumstances, she had the comparison, him to her,  maybe……reversed?.

Sorry….sorry….

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33 thoughts on “Well, It Worked

  1. I think you mean ‘Reefer Madness’.

    ‘Refer Madness’ would be, I dunno, a crazy doctor always sending his patients to specialists. 😉

    Funny, I just clicked on this just after reading a Netflix movie review (not for Reefer Madness though):

    Okay lets start off by saying that I got high before watching this movie….and it made it f@#$*^ amazing!! I can say, I might watch it again sober to totally understand what actaully happened lol

  2. That’s some kind of specific mental block that allowed me to write that twice and not realize it. One could charge that it was lingering effects 30 years hence.

  3. Actually, you wrote it three times, and you failed to correct it yet in the fourth paragraph. 😉

    [OYYYYY VEEYYYY]

  4. Maybe she could have said “If you were more like a steel pole, then maybe I’d kiss you.”

  5. Am I bad in not also seeing a potential double entendre in the ‘steel pole’ analogy (if reversed), but also thinking of a steel pole set not in concrete, but in a wooden stage?

  6. I have only heard legend of Reefer Madness, so I can’t say if this example reeks of it or not.

    It’s definitely a poor example of temptation, as the roles are reversed; especially in the church youth group crowd. I know you meant it as a joke, but I think it’s right on. The boy is the one who needs this advice on how to withstand offered temptation. The girl needs advice on how to withstand the temptation to offer it.

    [yea there is that]

  7. The boy is the one who needs this advice on how to withstand offered temptation. The girl needs advice on how to withstand the temptation to offer it.

    I agree. Even when I was a teenager (a fairly long time ago), it was rare the boy who would be as direct as that- at least verbally. But it was nothing for girls to throw themselves at boys. At least girls weren’t any LESS likely to be so direct, contrary to popular opinion.

    You’d think these people have never read Proverbs before.

  8. @Elspeth, I essentially never see young girls (i.e. the kind who might be open to some guidance who haven’t gotten into “trouble” quite yet) flinging themselves at boys per se, but almost every day and definitely twice on Sundays I see girls flinging themselves at men. Most typical is several 13 (or 14, or 15) year old girls flinging themselves at one 20 (or 22, or 27, yes seriously) year old man.

  9. Well like I said jf12,

    It has been a while since I was teenager. Not sure if you are younger or older than I am. When I was a teenager, it was really not that uncommon for girls to reach a certain age and go sort of *boy crazy*. To be sure there were select kinds of boys they went crazy over, but it was high school boys, not men.

  10. True story Jf12:

    There’s this guy I know (in his early 40’s), who went with his family to help his father move out a of a house that was way too big for him to live in alone. They’d sold it and bought a smaller place.

    As the family was going through each of the bedrooms in the house the guy and his wife went to his old bedroom to clear it out and as she went through the drawers the wife found a few old Polaroid pics of teenaged girls in bikinis, underwear, etc.

    She asked her husband who the girls were, and the husband told her that a couple of them he remembered their names, but there were a couple that he didn’t remember them giving him the photos in the first place. They just gave them to him at school even though he hadn’t been involved with all of them.

    It is entirely possible that teen girls in 2014 throw themselves at men. I wouldn’t know to be honest. But if it’s true, I suppose it’s because the meme that girls mature faster than boys and that “boys my age aren’t on my level” has fully taken hold.

    It wasn’t always thus. Either way, Cane Caldo is right that godly boys (and young men) need to be prepared to withstand the temptation and girls need to be trained not to offer it in the first place.

  11. “godly boys (and young men) need to be prepared to withstand the temptation and girls need to be trained not to offer it in the first place.”

    I can’t disagree, but the vast majority (yes, 80+%, not just 51%) of godly boys and young men will NEVER get offers. For the vast majority of men, preparing them against women throwing themselves at them will be preventative to the exact same extent as preparing them against wolves chewing them or space aliens disintegrating them. Good idea to be prepared, even though it’s NEVER going to happen.

  12. I carried a trowel and a jackhammer for those occasions. One for early escape while things were still setting up, the other for the last ditch prison break,

    Still sometimes got stuck

  13. FWIW I think there’s a slut-competition effect for the good-looking older boys/men. For boys their own age, girls don’t have to do anything at all to get their attention. Girls sitting there with them, i.e. not running away, is plenty enough to get most any boys’ attention. But for the good-looking man-boy with known Options, such as previous or extant girlfriends, girls feel compelled to engage in oneupgirlship, with one girl batting her eyes, and the next taking his arm and draping it around her shoulders, and the third girl climbing into his lap, on the pew.

  14. I hate to go off topic, but I’m not prepared to start posting at a lot of other sites and wanted to weigh in on the marital rape debate. I am of the opinion that marital rape does occur and is bad, but it should not occur because there should be no refusals. On the argument from Biblicality, I could make a better Biblical argument for simply taking another wife in parallel to get around refusals.

    I managed to use “thy belly is like an heap of wheat” (Sng 7:2) approvingly recently and the woman in question, under no qualms of my intent, enjoyed it.

    [That could be a polite expression for a beer belly, not suggesting anything of the sort for your referred]

  15. You’d think these people have never read Proverbs before.

    I used to be surprised at how many people in church rarely read their bibles or even own one. Getting people to read the Word is a passion for me, but how do you make a horse drink when he is not thirsty?

  16. Jf12:
    I disagree totally. The slut competition is going on for bad-boys, thugs, and metrosexuals. Around real men most women are sexually frigid.

    Contrary to what women say, most of them really don’t like or want sex. The sluttiness isn’t because they like sex; it’s because they can’t relate sexually to a real man in a real relationship. It’s more to suppress the female’s own fears of frigidity and lesbianism (as well as ego-validation) then it is actual sexual enjoyment.

  17. Empath:
    I’m glad Will saw it before I did; I was about to leave a comment that I probably have been even more ashamed of LOL

  18. @jf12

    I’m not prepared to start posting at a lot of other sites and wanted to weigh in on the marital rape debate.

    Haha!

    @Eric

    The slut competition is going on for bad-boys, thugs, and metrosexuals. Around real men most women are sexually frigid.

    Don’t neg me, bro!

  19. On the argument from Biblicality, I could make a better Biblical argument for simply taking another wife in parallel to get around refusals.

    I know some people who believe in that- both the man and his wife believe it. Problem is that they also believe that 1) he has to be financially able to provide for additional wives, an 2) he has to keep providing for the first wife.

    Since they depend on the first wife’s income as it is, he is not qualified to take a second wife so they decided to work things out.

    She’s behaving much better of late.

  20. re: “She’s behaving much better of late.”

    That’s good, but the question that lingers is why did she decide SHE was authorized to pick and choose what to obey and what not to obey, and if that question is not addressed then what prevents her from simply refusing again in the future?

  21. @jf12

    On the argument from Biblicality, I could make a better Biblical argument for simply taking another wife in parallel to get around refusals.

    Yes, we could. Polygyny is much easier to defend (especially over divorce) if we take a purely legalistic approach to the Bible; if we treat it as a rulebook or self-help guide.

  22. @Cane Caldo, purely hypothetically of course, I doth protest, what is the Biblical rulebook pattern for sleeping arrangements for polygyny? Leah and Rachel, I know, maintained separate tents, but that be more for the reasons in Leviticus 18:18. David apparently maintained a *single* tent with both Abigail and Ahinoam simultaneously. Other places seem to indicate that whenever there were actual large numbers of women, i.e. harems, then normally the women all lived together but separately from the man and he called them to him one by one on different nights. Besides Absalom publically sleeping with ten women at the same time, I can’t think of another example, although supposedly what was bad about Absalom doing that was his choice of women and reasons for doing so.

  23. Like a reed, or straw, set in concrete.

    In John 4:18 Jesus mentions to the Woman at the Well that “he whom thou now hast is not thy husband”. Obviously, we all know (don’t we?) that she and he were together physically, but not married. Does this fact imply that one of the woman’s previous five husbands was still alive?

  24. That’s good, but the question that lingers is why did she decide SHE was authorized to pick and choose what to obey and what not to obey, and if that question is not addressed then what prevents her from simply refusing again in the future?

    That’s beside the point. All wives misbehave from time to time. Some of us are just better behaved than others on the main. To her credit, she listens when I offer counsel.

    And for the record, we think their interpretation of what her husband is “allowed” to do if he could afford it is not Biblically correct at all. I find the thing fascinating because in recent years it is becoming quite easy to find people who profess to be believers and believe this sort of thing- adding wives and whatnot.

  25. “I find the thing fascinating because in recent years it is becoming quite easy to find people who profess to be believers and believe this sort of thing- adding wives and whatnot.”

    Undoubtedly it’s because of so much divorce. I wonder what the average lifetime N (/projected N) is currently, even among those in church who only have sex within marriage one-at-a-time?

    Relating to Dread, assuming a good husband is necessarily above putting his wife away unless *she* commits adultery, then her having the power to simply decide to never have any more sex with anyone, puts him in a tremendous bind unless he can claim to think that he might add another wife. See?

  26. @jf12

    You’re in luck: I’m up smoking a picnic shoulder!

    purely hypothetically of course, I doth protest, what is the Biblical rulebook pattern for sleeping arrangements for polygyny?

    I can’t recall that there is one. If there’s not, I would take that as (more) evidence that polygyny was not in keeping with God’s spirit, even if He forbore it for a time.

    For a time, what we now call incest was forbore.

  27. @Cane Caldo, “For a time, what we now call incest was forbore.”

    Good point, one I hadn’t considered. When it was the only option for sexual reproduction, it was expected, logically.

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