Quisling brothers and Barna Circus

This is going to be hasty. I got got got no time.

The barna study linked in the comments after the last post takes women’s responses to a survey at face value and writes up a summary with many outrageous claims, yet only sees absurdity in one of them. This not a perfect example of the adage, “watch what women do not what they say”.

When women reported that:

However, after those top three influencers, women are much more reticent to admit they are swayed by outside voices—particularly when it comes to friends and media.

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a striking 70% claiming the media has “little” influence over their decision making.

The writer summarizing the research tells us that the study author(s)  noticed  this particular disconnect. Women are claiming they are mostly influenced by the bible and sermons, while denying being swayed by media and friends. Meanwhile, what is that statistic about advertising dollars dedicated to female merchandizing? How many husbands will tell you that their wife will accept advice from anyone but him. Let’s say he is an accountant. She has a financial question.  He answers it. She will check with her mom or sisters. How about the lock step direction situational comedy takes where there is an idiot dad and a brilliant competent woman…the popularity of shows like Dancing with the stars and The Bachelor….the sales of merchandise and gossip in print surrounding the Kardashians. On and on. Women don’t mince words about these interests among friends. But a survey? That must be important and I want to be represented well. Many women would even FEEL that somehow her answers would reflect back on her personally, even though it was likely anonymous.

As I read this article I saw equally glaring disconnects in each paragraph and on every topic. Apparently those things didn’t move the author(s). But women claiming to not be influenced by friends and the media was too much for them. They had to admit that maybe the responses to the survey were wishful thinking:

When asked to explain why so few women say they are influenced by media, Kinnaman adds: “In many ways, women’s self-perception revealed in this study seems to be aspirational. Women want to be influenced by the Bible, but they reject the idea of being heavily affected by the media. So these aspirations may be reflected in the numbers. Still, the way women describe themselves reveals something: they seem to know how they want to be perceived by others. Other findings in the survey reflect this pattern: women seem to be laying claim to a life they want, even if it’s not always current reality.”

Why not read the rest of the survey with the question on mind, “what would a woman say if she was answering to represent

 

Three quarters of Christian women say they are mature in their faith (73%). The good feelings continue when it comes to ongoing spiritual growth, as more than one third (36%) of churchgoing women say they are “completely” satisfied with their personal spiritual development

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The vast majority of women claim to have an “extremely close” (38%) or a “pretty close” (43%) relationship with God.

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In third place is their role as wife (11%).

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Though women consider themselves family-driven, their marriages may be suffering from a lack of intentionality: only 2% of Christian women say their most important goal in life is to enhance their relationship with their significant other. Marriage comes in below several other goals, including health (6%), career (5%), lifestyle (4%), personal growth (4%), morality (4%) and financial objectives (3%). Only goals related to personal appearance, relationships outside the home and travel come in lower than marital goals.

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Maybe one of the reasons women often fail to mention marriage-related goals is that they are generally quite satisfied in their marriages. While Christian women claim high levels of satisfaction in many facets of their life, they are most satisfied with their marriages (59%) followed by their parenting (51%). Although these findings cannot entirely explain women’s lack of marital goals, it does suggest many Christian women find some of their deepest contentment in life from their marriage

A Christian woman can say she is not influenced by media, rather she follows the bible and its teachers and the researches call BS. Yet onlyt 2% of respondants list theor spousal relationship as having primacy and  the researchers say that that is because they are so satisfied in the marriage that they feel no need to set goals and be intentional.And of course women are raving about their personal spiritiual growth.thats because they get to to define the destination….the place where when they get there they can see them selves as having grown. Most importantly though, they get to use comparative analysis to butress the feelings of having grown and growing.

Like the person who wants to feel thinner hangs around other people whoare much larger, the women just happens to have, ah-hem, a man in her life that                           E V E R Y B O D Y knows is struggling in terms of his faith. She not only contrasts against him, she even gets to share her blessing of spiritual superiority and manage his growth. The church helps a lot. They offer everything down to detailed programs geared and micromanaging that man into spiritual fitness. he is so lucky to have her. I mean, why would she need to set goals for herself when she is all that and selflessly trying to let a lil’ bit rub off on him.

I neednt explain every specific item where women openly contradict themselves and the Barna folks miss it. But I am disappointed in David Murrow for not seeing whats right in front of him.

 

 

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15 thoughts on “Quisling brothers and Barna Circus

  1. I was once interested in a particular Christian girl until I saw what kind of people she followed on Twitter. Celebrities (Hollywood and local Toronto ones), and sellout neo-con politicians. Ick; no thanks. Next?

  2. This disconnect in women shows how many of them are in sin. Call it for what it really is: Lying and deception. One of the first lessons I got in getting serious about a walk with the Lord was exactly that. It’s still lying and still a sin if you are lying to yourself.

    But in an overarching way, it’s still a good proof of feminism.

  3. Ballista said it: It’s simply lying.

    Men from churches extend women a oxymoronic and corrosive ambivalence. They’ll argue that women can hardly mean to lie; they must mean something better than the untruth our lying ears heard. If you pin those men down on the fact that he’s defending her spouting untrue things, then he’ll fall back onto a paternalistic over-indulgence; that she’s just a girl, and it would be wrong to hold it against her. If you reply back that–if this is the case–such a creature cannot be entrusted with sacred things, then they revert back to the starting position that women are so sweet they can hardly mean to lie; so we can trust them…

    I think they know they’re lying, and so we can trust them with sacred things. Yet the incentives are so perverse that–in addition to their own pride and ignorance (because they are not very self-aware people compared to men)–it is extraordinarily hard for them to resist the temptation.

  4. Like the person who wants to feel thinner hangs around other people whoare much larger, the women just happens to have, ah-hem, a man in her life that E V E R Y B O D Y knows is struggling in terms of his faith. She not only contrasts against him, she even gets to share her blessing of spiritual superiority and manage his growth.

    I’ve seen this quite a lot. I have been this woman, frankly. Sometimes she still rears her head. The difference (as I was telling my daughter just yesterday) was that my husband never allowed me -or anyone else- to set up a paradigm where I was spiritually superior to him or where he needed to subject himself to my superior wisdom.

    This was primarily because he never hesitated to point out the glaring inconsistencies between my profession and my walk. And never hesitated to call me a liar when I lied, either.

  5. Women’s sense of identity very closely follows their priorities, with 62% of women saying their most important role in life is as a mother or parent. Jesus came next: 13% of Christian women believe their most important role in life is as a follower of Christ. In third place is their role as wife (11%).

    I am amazed at the difference between “mother” and “wife.” Since being a mother is part of being a wife, how can someone justify ranking one of the facets of being a wife as more important than being a wife? It reminds me of the words of Christ:

    How blind! For which is more important–the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? –Matthew 23:19

  6. ” She has a financial question. He answers it. She will check with her mom or sisters.”

    I’m raising my hands here. Does it all the time.

    I agree with Ballista and Cane that they are simply lying to themselves. And the men of the church are so busy covering it up instead of calling them out on it. Men in the church endorses women as a spiritual superior to her husband because he is struggling instead of help him. Something that has urked me for years and than they wonder why he doesn’t go to church anymore.

  7. “How many husbands will tell you that their wife will accept advice from anyone but him.” Um, all of ’em, Katie?

  8. “aspirational” meaning “it ain’t so”
    Is the is vs ought dichotomy that hard to grasp? Apparently so. Should the is vs ought dichotomy be that hard to grasp? Obviously not.

  9. Wow, that Barna study has it’s finger on the pulse of something, I’m thinking it is the spirit of Laodocea.

    “I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.”
    (Rev 3:15-19)

  10. Elspeth:
    I think what that’s describing—the female feeling of superiority over a ‘struggling’ man—is merely a Churchian version of the thug-chasing that’s endemic among American women. Women are taught by feminists that they are inherently superior to men—and it’s not hard for them to feel superior to limp-wristed metrosexuals or criminal thugs. I think the same dynamic is at work here: the Churchian women can look down on the less-faithful husbands as inferiors.

  11. “I think what that’s describing—the female feeling of superiority over a ‘struggling’ man—is merely a Churchian version of the thug-chasing that’s endemic among American women.”

    I think it’s quite simply the result of our culture, which exalts emotionality over rationality. This is a generality, of course (NAMALT/NAWALT as applicable). Because women tend to be more emotional and intelligent, masculine men more rational, the feminine tendency is validated and the masculine denigrated, as has been the case for the past 60 years or so.

    “Women are taught by feminists that they are inherently superior to men—and it’s not hard for them to feel superior to limp-wristed metrosexuals or criminal thugs.”

    Not sure I agree completely with this. I have always viewed my husband as inherently superior to me in almost every area. No metrosexuality (I hate the whole idea of metrosexuals, by the way) nor criminal thug element in play. It was merely the fact that one of the very few areas that I exhibited more practical knowledge than he did was in Scripture/church stuff.

    And because I was/am a daughter of Eve, I used that one area to lift myself up in pride.

  12. Another thought since I ended my comment with a very personal spin without elaborating:

    I don’t think very many wives are married to men who are limp wristed metrosexuals or criminal type thugs. I think it is just the way we women operate. We desire to rule over our men by any means possible. it takes lots of prayer, commitment (and a husband who won’t tolerate the BS) for us to overcome it.

  13. I think the same dynamic is at work here: the Churchian women can look down on the less-faithful husbands as inferiors.

    Which is of course the reverse side of resenting and rebelling against their spiritually stronger and more mature husbands whom they are unable to manipulate or control.

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