More to the story on marital happiness

Fox, again, is running an article on male suicide trends during the financial crisis. I noticed something extra. But lets look at what they were saying first:

The increases occurred among men, rising 3.3 percent in 2009 compared with this trend, says the study, published online by the British Medical Journal (BMJ).

And then:

Among women, though, there was an overall decline of 0.5 percent in 2009 compared with what would have been expected if the crisis had not occurred.

The point they focus on is that suicide trends were more pronounced where job losses were the greatest. They make no attempt to explain the decline in female suicide rates.

A closer reading suggests another factor. We have seen data correlating marriage longevity to education and income. Keep that in mind when reading the other breakdown they noted:

In the Americas, the biggest increase was among men aged 45-64, which saw a rise of 5.2 percent

Who are those men? Mainly baby boomers. Which group has led the divorce pandemic? Baby boomers. Baby boomer women therefore continued to chase an EPL life, jettisoning their husbands while they were already down, or vulnerable. This is opinion, not analysis. Perhaps Dalrock will delve in.

Odd isnt it that the increase in male suicide coincides with a decrease in female suicide. Can we expect a spike in female suicide in a few years when emptying the litter box has become more of a chore than picking up the jerk’s dirty socks?

No guardrails.

[wow that was poorly written in haste. But I’m going to leave it up]

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8 thoughts on “More to the story on marital happiness

  1. The suicide rate (for both men and women) is probably tied to divorce.

    Fall of 2008 the economy crashes. A ton of men lose their jobs in the following months (it was almost entirely men who lost their jobs during recession).

    The men become depressed over losing their job and having no job prospects.

    Their wives lose interest in their husbands because they have gone from alpha to beta (or beta to whatever) due to losing their job, and the wife files for divorce (we can argue about why women divorce their husband after he loses his job–and few woman would admit that is the reason they filed for divorce–but the fact is it’s pretty common).

    The husband becomes even more depressed and attempts suicide.

    On the other hand, the wife (who initiated the divorce) is looking forward to her new, empowered, fabulous single life. She actually becomes more upbeat anticipating her future (hamster on overdrive), so the suicide rate of women goes down.

    A few things to consider. Men tend to use more lethal methods (gun, hanging) than women (drug overdose) to commit suicide. You have to wonder how many female attempted suicides are listed as “accidental drug overdose” by the hospital.

    This was 4 years ago. It would be interesting to see if there will be an uptick in female suicide attempts in 2014, when the 5 year mark serves as landmark that makes women realize they are worse off having divorced.

    Also, women as a group simply don’t commit suicide as much as men do–and never have. Female suicide rates may not be the best measure of how depressed women are as a group.

  2. I agree that suicide rates are not a 1 to 1 with women’s depression. In fact I would assert that attempts to measure women’s happiness are in vain because of confusion with emotions.150 years ago happiness would have meant safe, fed, clothed, content, etc. Now it must be “made new every day” sadly.

    What you spelled out is exactly what I was getting at. Women, lacking cause and effect, are following the divorce porn narrative. It MUST be very cool, everyone is doin’ it. 5 years hence, a better measure for women would be faux suicide attempts, which they go to as a last resort source for empathy because they have exhausted lesser forms of drama and have to up the ante.

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  3. Confirmation of the postulate in my post. I have seen it many times but it always grates on me that the meme is “women are better at having broad support structures and men rely on their wives”….which is to say, men are socially inept and unable to have real deep relationships.

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  4. Generally speaking, perhaps women do have more of a social support system; at least in quantity. But perhaps men have better quality friendships as men are more honest with one another. Perhaps the pseudo-empatho-sharing of women actually does mitigate depression and suicidal ideation??

    I am only thinking “out loud” with this. I tend to be sorta a loner, but not an extreme loner. There are times I would like to have more of a social support system to talk stuff over.

    Another point: I believe if a woman expresses depression or suicidal ideation, she will immediately have both men and women to offer “support”. But far fewer folks of either sex care if a man is close to volunteering to walking the plank.

  5. Empath:
    I think Fox is feeding us a red herring.

    The male suicide rate is not explicable solely to economics. It’s also sky-high among men aged 15-24. The cause of the suicide rate is increasing male alienation from a society that doesn’t value them or masculinity.

    According to the CDC, nearly 1/4 of women 15-45 are on prescription psychiatric dope. This is inversely related to the same cause: feminism has taught women to go against their natures and it’s causing psychological dissociation.

  6. Society has no purpose for men, society mocks and ridicules them instead. It promotes women and degenerates men. Men are doing what it is that society and women want them to do, killing themselves…

    When you have no purpose, when you’re not wanted or needed, what else can you really do? There are no opportunities anymore, you cannot leave for a new country and start afresh. In this world men are disrespected, taught to hate themselves and not given the chance to achieve any worth or to show their abilities. Self-worth is a determining factor when suicide is questioned and men killing themselves at a higher rate than women shouldn’t be a surprise.

    The world has told men they’re not needed. Men are simply following through.

  7. Fem Hater:
    That’s all very true. It gets harder and harder every day for any real man out there to see or find any purpose in doing much of anything.

    To add insult to injury; society not only devalues and depreciates real men; it upholds and rewards males who bring discredit onto masculinity. Violent thugs and effeminate metrosexuals monopolize sex, while welfare losers and bums are valued more than war heroes or successful entrepreneurs. Which is another factor contributing to male suicide.

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