What’s the Endgame?

In a sense, every proposal that you should change your way of life is like a sale. All philosophies and religions are actually selling a concept. As Christians, we are sold the concept that Jesus is the way to salvation. The New Testament explains what that means, and people have pondered it and studied it, argued about it, even killed and given their lives over it. It is a very passionate sell.

Feminism proposes that women should have equality with men because women can equally contribute to society. Fair enough—we have an open market of ideas. And it is not unusual that the proponents of feminism should do what the average philosophy or religion does when questioned—argue bitterly and often very defensively. However those who are in the market have every right to say “Why should I buy this?”

That’s really the question being asked lately. “Why should I buy this? How will this make my life better?” I know some Christians intensely dislike it when I bring it up in this way, but really, there is a transactional relationship going on in Christianity. God offers us forgiveness, for example, and so we are to forgive others. God offers us wisdom, we are in turn to follow God’s path to righteousness, not our own. The very notion that our salvation was bought with a price is at its root a transactional relationship.

IAL brought up the important understanding of the weird relationship between White Knight Christianity and feminism both throwing men under the bus leaving chaos in its wake. So what is their endgame?

White Knights (having been one I get this I think very well) honestly believe that they are doing the right thing by denigrating men in order to uplift women. The basic notion is that women have no real agency without men provoking them to do the right thing. However the bizarre thing is that feminism proposes the exact same thing: that without men’s agreement women cannot do the right thing. Shirley Taylor talks about the important contributions women have to make, and how men are holding them back.

I have to ask then: what is it that Shirley Taylor wishes women could accomplish? What are they held back from doing? I read every one of her blog entries, and nowhere did I see any sign of what the lady hopes that women could be doing in church other than occupying positions of authority. But why? What will they DO? What are they offering to sell?

Well here’s a little sampler. In one of her blog entries she reviews a book called “Every Woman and Child” by Adele Hebert. Hebert makes the statement that “Our Christian faith is based completely on the words of women.” Shirley Taylor’s review says that in the book Jesus became angry many times, but never at women. In her blog she refers to submission as we have consistently seen in the churchian feminist movement—as slavish. She refers to a pastor caught in a sex scandal and says “Have you ever read a story of a female pastor putting hidden cameras in bathrooms to spy on men, or young boys? Have you ever read of a story of a woman pastor molesting young boys?…Yet women cannot be put in authority over a man.” In other words: women are better than men. Her conclusion generally is that women are less valued in churches. I don’t see any difference between her position and that of Germaine Greer, who has said “equality is not enough”. In a sense Greer is more honest—she openly identifies the feminist notion of Patriarchy Theory and endorses radical sweeping change to every aspect of social structure, and states that she has Marxist views on family and on life in general.

Shirley Taylor like many Christian feminists insists on the man part of Ephesians 5 and throws out the woman’s part. Submission is equal to being a slave in the minds of such people. But let’s tear away the veil: it’s just feminism. Women always the victims, men always the perpetrators. I have to be honest and say that if I knew that feminists were actually after genuine equality that I wouldn’t mind, because actual equality is about everyone doing their part to the best of their ability, everyone being given a fair opportunity, everyone taking responsibility for their own actions. I don’t reject the notion of feminism merely because I don’t believe in equality—it’s because I believe that they don’t stand for it, and I don’t like hypocrisy.

She even admits in a blog entry called “I don’t want to preach” that she doesn’t want to preach. She says in that entry that she doesn’t want to serve communion as a deacon. So really—why bother? In short—what is the real endgame here? What do these people want to accomplish? Well, the feminist endgame is destruction and then rebuilding—what exactly, they themselves admit that they don’t know. They just don’t like what is here right now.

In response to IAL’s post about hyenas, I was thinking that there is a similarity. Hyenas are intelligent animals but at the end of the day they’re just predators; they want to eat, raise young and prosper, but they’re hardly thinking about the rest of the ecosystem. Feminism seems to be exactly the same. They want to devour and maybe see tomorrow, but beyond that offer no genuine hope for the future in spite of their sweet sounding words. Whenever feminists are asked to behave in a just manner when they have a position of power over men, they abuse it. Whenever discussion of discontented wives frivorcing is discussed, feminists defend their right to do it. Whenever feminists are asked to speak up for boys and girls abused by women, feminists refuse to acknowledge that these cases exist in sufficient numbers to be concerned about it. Whenever men attempt to speak up on behalf of homeless men, men who suffered from domestic violence or men who are near to suicidal at the lack of contact with their own children or stepchildren, they are simply told that these are red herrings for men who are abusive. The general response of feminists to men in trouble is “look to your own, don’t bother us.” The position that feminists take, that women are downtrodden everywhere, that the power and agency they so blatantly have is not enough, makes it impossible to even discuss ‘equality’. They are a strange mirror like partner with the likes of Driscoll in shaming men who raise concerns.

So to me, ultimately you know people by the fruits of their labour. If what these people wanted was to be able to do good in the world, wouldn’t they just be doing it? Wouldn’t they be focused on how to clothe the naked, feed the hungry, bring peace to others? Who cares what your title is? I’m not ordained, I don’t have any lofty position. I’d be impressed by all this if there was some powerful message of the Gospel that wanted to be delivered, if there was an important movement to fight poverty or to teach young people valuable things, but I’m not seeing the slightest hint of that. What I’m seeing is envy and desire for power couched in pleading terms that make it look like a call for justice.

So going back to my opening paragraph, what is being sold? Nothing more than “come and be eaten, and I will be satisfied.” No thanks.

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15 thoughts on “What’s the Endgame?

  1. Look at Shirley Taylor’s links. The reason she doesn’t talk about any substance is because she is trying to keep her silo’s separated. “The Mainstream Baptist”.blog is written by the head of that organization in Oklahoma. Bruce Prescott, shows how he is siding with the ACLU to take down a 10 commandments monument at the capital. He cites the Constitution. He also tells in his letter all of the other social justice issues he participates in, including the Sierra Club.

    http://mainstreambaptist.blogspot.com/

    I think “Mainstream Baptist” is just Oklahoma code for Unitarian. That is the endgame of “equality”. Take a Sunday “off” and go attend your local Unitarian Church, pick up some literature and realize that you are in the belly of the beast. Maybe afterwards you can hit a “pro-choice” rally or help out with the VAWA campaign with them.

  2. Excellent post bro!

    “But let’s tear away the veil: it’s just feminism. Women always the victims, men always the perpetrators. I have to be honest and say that if I knew that feminists were actually after genuine equality that I wouldn’t mind, because actual equality is about everyone doing their part to the best of their ability, everyone being given a fair opportunity, everyone taking responsibility for their own actions. I don’t reject the notion of feminism merely because I don’t believe in equality—it’s because I believe that they don’t stand for it, and I don’t like hypocrisy.”

    Exactly accurate. I agree that if it were equality the feminists were after; I would also be able to respect their perspective. But equality is not the goal. Feminists are like nazis. They want to be the superior gender instead of the superior race.

    “Whenever feminists are asked to speak up for boys and girls abused by women, feminists refuse to acknowledge that these cases exist in sufficient numbers to be concerned about it. Whenever men attempt to speak up on behalf of homeless men, men who suffered from domestic violence or men who are near to suicidal at the lack of contact with their own children or stepchildren, they are simply told that these are red herrings for men who are abusive.”

    I know this to be true as well. To me it appears that most men in positions of authority have this pathological attitude toward troubled men as well. This red pill reality grieves my heart.

    This will sound corny, but I will convey it: Thanx much to men like Dalrock and Empath and the other Christian bloggers who take all the time to operate these blogs; without which there might not be a venue for many men to communicate, learn, and have their accurate hurts validated.

  3. @IAL, those are good points, and thanks for that other link. Things are becoming even more clear. I would add this thought: if she doesn’t like the SBC, there are lots of other churches she can join. Why mess with an established doctrine then? It’s not like she can’t become a methodist, or Lutheran or any number of other churches that ordain women.

  4. @vascularity777: thank you very much for the encouragement. I have felt the same was I am scrambling up through the mire: I am grateful for other men who were encouraging and said “you can do this, you can achieve this, you are up against a lot.” While the Bible has many accounts (including many Psalms) of men in lament and it being acceptable to God, it is not acceptable generally to the world.

  5. @infowarrior1 : I disagree that the concept of equality is bunk. It’s simply that equality should be ‘before the law’. It shouldn’t be considered a thought crime for one person to be better at business than someone else or better at anything for that matter. It should be alright to honour people for their efforts and achievements. The problem with equality as it is conceived in our society today is that it is predicated on the notion that no one should ever feel left out or offended.

  6. @sojournerscribe

    So you are talking about using the same metric to measure a person having no partiality nor respect for his position. Then I am on board. However there is no such thing as equality between the sexes nor is there such thing as equality between people. Similarities may exist but differences make it impossible.

    So to clarify my position this is why I think equality is bunk. Except in the cases of putting everyone to the same standards. And hence measuring them by that standard by which inequality is then measured.

  7. Vascularity777:
    What strikes me as so strange about it all is, that even after numerous articles like this, where women come right out and say such things, so many men and women in the Manosphere STILL insist that female attitudes are no different today than what they were 50 years ago. Most women today are, at bottom, sexually nihilists and personally narcissists.

  8. Eric:

    Women are different today. The question I ponder is if the change is only due to cultural/societal or if there is more at play. That more at play I ponder is if the current brand of feminism is a Satanic force; perhaps an End Day type phenomena. According to Scripture during the end times men’s hearts will fail. (I am paraphrasing that from memory so the wording might not be perfect).

    By what mechanism will men’s hearts fail? It is not good for a man to be alone, but today it is better for a man to be alone. Japan seems to be the forerunning culture of this. The rest of the West is following suit. So many men in our culture are suffering so much from feminism and it will only get worse.

    I am only speculating here. I do not KNOW. But I do know our Savior and I do believe the Bible to be our Creator’s Word for us. Men’s hearts will fail; if not feminism as the catalyst then something else, most probably soon.

  9. Vascularity777:
    I’m going to appeal more to historical precedent than Scripture here, but what I think we’re witnessing is a culture that’s dying. Think of the parallels between 21st Century Anglo-American culture and 5th Century Roman culture (among other examples) and you’ll see what I mean. When the City of Rome finally fell, believe it or not, the Barbarian generals actually ordered their soldiers to avoid the Coliseum and the free bread stations because they felt that interfering with the Spectacles and the Welfare system would cause more public resistance than the occupation of the city!

    What causes this kind of social degeneration? Rostovstzeff had the interesting theory that, as cultures become stronger and wealthier, the lower and less educated classes begin to demand more entitlements—shares in a society that they really didn’t contribute to building—hence they have all the benefits of a culture with none of the obligations. By they extension they become narcissistic and more demanding and the culture eventually rots out from within, both by cultivating a sense of entitlement and by the strain on the system it produces—with no corresponding compensation. Rostovstzeff wrote this in 1921, paralleling the collapse of Classical Greece and the Roman Empire with the (then) recent collapse of Russia; but the parallels to today are hard to ignore.

  10. “These feminist groups say the Bible diminishes women. GOD! gave you a position comparable to the Holy Spirit! You are EXALTED!” So says the pastor of BBC (Big Baptist Church) in my hometown.

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