The Damascus Road ferry

I was encouraged Sunday when the preacher at church went on a rant about people and “their buddy Jesus”. His perspective was, we need the corporate experience of church and church functions instead of just saying “well, everything is cool with me and Jesus”. But he said something that made me think he sees the matter more than just one of getting people to come to church.

We have been at this church only since Easter, and are being careful about taking membership in any church that we eventually discover is another amateur pop psychology medium.

He said something to the effect that we need to experience problems together. It was not just that we needed to worship together, or sit under teaching together, or tithe together or volunteer together. It was that we needed to be shaped by trauma together. And it was a clear break from The Personal Jesus, if not a direct refutation of same. And it got me scribbling while he talked.

Think about shared trauma and how it shapes us into vessels that are better equipped to comfort others in trauma.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves receive from God.

Compare that to the Personal Jesus created perspective where the person has some issue, they sort it out with their Personal Jesus, and how that equips that person to minister comfort to others. One way offers whatever you think you need. The other offers what you need.

One way creates growth in the churches of this age. Where believers go forth to pretty much tell folks I’m OK you’re OK. And rules? What rules? The Personal Jesus has my back and got me through X (where X is usually something born of an obviously sinful and should-have-been obviously bad decision) Those sharing trauma as believers are going to have a congruence problem if they bring their Personal Jesus to the group, even if its just one member of the group experiencing the issue.  This is exactly what happens in women’s groups where The Personal Jesus is preached, and men go along either out of fear, ignorance, or they agree… that order. It is lots of men, altogether.

Most churches today need a road to Damascus experience. This would be something so profoundly traumatic that it would leave men no choice but to REALLY step up (and by step up I do not mean the gibberish that falls under that instruction now), or the church crumbles. Or, the church ceases to be a church, as in the bride of Christ. That is sadly the way most are going. To see the end point lets swerve into an example.

Once the church launches herself to cross the Rubicon that leads to her no longer being a church, who is on the other side waiting and cheering?

Here are a couple of the faces they will see.

Spahr-300x300bonnieIt doesn’t matter who these women are. They are (used to be a church) leaders from the group that calls itself Episcopalian. They have lots of company. I chose them (that group) because its an easy example. From a piece specifically about the evolution of the Episcopalian church:

“The accelerating fragmentation of the strife-torn Episcopal Church USA,” writes Christian author Charlotte Allen. “ in which large parishes and entire dioceses are opting out of the church, isn’t simply about gay bishops, the blessing of same-sex unions or the election of a woman as presiding bishop. It is about the meltdown of liberal Christianity.

“Liberal Christianity has been hailed by its boosters for 40 years as the future of the Christian church. Instead, as all but a few die-hards now admit, the mainline churches that have blurred doctrine and softened moral precepts are declining and, in the case of the Episcopal Church, disintegrating.”

They took buildings away from individual churches in the denomination because they would not tow the tyrannical line of feminization the church hierarchy had embarked upon. Then, when they were nearly broke, they were forced to put their NY headquarters up for sale. Those particulars are not important, only illustrative. This should be traumatic.

David Murrow nailed it when he said:

“I’m not blaming women for the decline of the mainline. The men withdrew. The women stepped up.”

We can quibble about the term “step up” because it has been co-opted. But it’s true. Hence the need for a road to Damascus experience.

It gets more complicated.

Who is left on this side of the river? Well, a relatively small number of Christian men and women, some  MGTOWs and some PUA’s, and some various other constituents that are too ignorant and/or apathetic to care that there even is a river. We make quite a group don’t we? We are left over here fighting over definitions and tossing Molotov cocktails at the other side.

The good news is that the road to Damascus runs on both sides of the river. The bad news is, it isn’t obvious which group on which side will have the conversion experience. To see that, you have to believe that the church, as she is today in the main, is not better off than the Episcopalians by much. We (as parts of her) are at some point along the continuum that ends with paganism and worship of the divine fem. This way also ends in tears.

Today, as the nation recognizes some equal pay act from 50 years ago, and celebrates the fact that 40% of homes are economically headed by a female wage, it looks more and more likely we may share a trauma, ALL of us, no matter who we are or which side of the river we are on. This trauma is like the slow cooked frog, so far. No conversion needed. But wait.


45 thoughts on “The Damascus Road ferry

  1. A pastor who cuts to the chase is a rare thing these days. We were in church yesterday and a pregnant woman (with whom we’d always assumed was her husband) went up for prayer. As the minister spoke with them, it became clear that they were not married. He called them out- kinda sorta. Well actually, he called HIM out. Kinds-sorta.

    When we got home, my eldest asked, “Why did he beat around the bush like that? It’s not like him.”

    I told her I was wondering the same thing. I understand you reticence with respect to joining a church fellowship, but I wonder how long you guys have been looking and if you really expect to land someplace where the blue pill isn’t dominant.

  2. “I understand you reticence with respect to joining a church fellowship, but I wonder how long you guys have been looking and if you really expect to land someplace where the blue pill isn’t dominant.”

    I think you will have to look a long time if you want to find one of those. As far as I can tell, no Church has escaped the Blue Pill. If you want to be in a Red Pill Church, you either need to form your own or to join one and change it from within.

    As you relate Empath, clearly something has got to give. The current trajectory for the Church (of all denominations) is straight off a cliff, and I see no signs of the brakes being applied. The Episcopalians look to be the first off the cliff, but they won’t be the last.

  3. Elspeth

    We have lived here for 6.5 years. To say we have been looking that whole time would not be exactly correct. Part of the problem is we came from a long term church home where we were deeply plugged in and involved, in Texas, to here and a fresh start after 12 years of being at that one church. Though it was not a red pill church, and it is now a mega church with all the goes with that, we were there from a couple hundred folks and wer ecaught up in all the fun, yes, fun, of being part of something exploding like that to now having 25,000 and several “campuses”.

    I doubt we’d have ended up staying there either because it is absurd, but we still have affection for the place.

    We joined a church here for a couple of years. I cannot explain why, really, but we left and started finding discontentment everywhere, after many false starts. We have not since made any commitment. We give wherever we are, we try and get involved, but we have been reluctant to do membership.

    The place we are now is maybe not red pill, but it’s not blue pill in that it is so otherwise focused. To say that he just goes through the Bible would be too simple an explanation and not give the young man enough credit. But he simply doesn’t use topical preaching. Yet he is fascinating and sound doctrinally (for me). It non-denom, of course, are they not all these days, and not very big…if there are 600 I’d be surprised, and those are split w/ 2 services.

    So, we are not really holding out for purity of pill so to speak. It’s a basket of stuff that’s just one. And so far so good, it won’t be long before we just do it.

  4. One way creates growth in the churches of this age. Where believers go forth to pretty much tell folks I’m OK you’re OK. And rules? What rules?

    This is really nothing new. There was a time when Paul’s words about right conduct were dominant and those who tend toward asceticism ignored the parts about liberty in Christ.

    We are now in a feelings dominated culture so the parts of Scripture that outline proper conduct and Biblical order are taking a back seat to those which offer us freedom in Christ from works. HUman beings are not particularly inclined to be balanced, and it’s been this way since the OT.

  5. I became Episcoplian because it was good enough for C.S. Lewis, and because that is where the fight is. I wanted to be on the side that clung to God and beat the crap out of His enemies. A couple years later, we split off, and now we’re waiting for a decision as the ECUSA sued us. It’s driving me mad for the ruling to come down, because I believe that’s when we’ll see God’s plan for our church.

    I love our little brick and stained-glass building, but it can go to Hell if it’s not God’s building.

  6. Fascinating….really, I mean that. My father and his wife are Episcopalian and have the coolest little beautiful building. So yours is one of the churches they sued?
    I’m glad to hear that…that you are there. That more would take that sort of stand…..

  7. I’m having the same issue in looking for a church home. My family and I are attending a church now but only after I did some extensive research online about their beliefs and where their leadership sits in view of today’s issues. Membership will have to wait a bit until I can get a better feel for the spirit and community of the church.
    I also agree about finding a Red Pill church. Not likely to happen. The Blue Pill is too pervasive in society. It’s engrained too much.

  8. @donalgraeme

    Catholic heart, but Protestant mind, here. I love Catholics, but I cannot be one, and I’m content with that.

    How lucky Nebuchadnezzar was to chew grass in the wilderness!

  9. We converted to Catholicism from what was Episcopalianism. We attended a small doctrinally sound Episcopal Missionary Church (old prayer book) during the transition but I hold that I’ve been Catholic since I was five years old and my husband was willing to attend Mass with me and as is his habit he was suddenly all in and explaining the whole show to me, lol.

    I still miss the BCP and the sincerity of the parish we attended in our small town but the Rainbow Jesus aspect made me feel like a betrayer of those people whom I had invited to attend, people who joined and are now active in the service of what I see as wickedness. It’s heartbreaking to watch.

  10. Empath:
    Being traumatized and having ‘issues’ from the past is all part of the New Normal. If you don’t have ‘issues’, it’s presumed that something is wrong with you.

    And how can your ‘partner’ control you if you don’t have some guilty skeleton in the closet? LOL. Of course, certain ‘wise guys’ have also figured out that that there’s big bucks to be made off trauma:

    Though it should be noted that our politically correct culture doesn’t allow anyone to feel guilt or shame over things that would genuinely should cause actual remorse (i.e. abortion, divorce, &c). It’s only socially acceptable to feel shame and guilt over something somebody supposedly did to you.

  11. Eric, that is not what he meant by shared trauma. I agree with your description and Ive written about that before. But in this case he is talking about sharing grief in the death of a child, natural disasters, etc. Things real, terrible, and immediate.

  12. I recently rolled the dice, so to speak, and tried another church. I’ve been attending about two months so far and like it. The pastor teaches much from the O.T., which I am not as knowledgeable about. I haven’t heard anything about “joining” the church. I have always shyed away from “joining” as I do not understand the purpose. Being saved is membership in His Book of Life; and that is sufficient as I see it. Why do so many churches have formal memberships??

    About a year ago I attended one service at an Episcopal Church. I wouldnotg o back as it seeemed like a hideaway for gay men.

  13. @Vascularity

    Membership is important because you need to be able to kick people out. It’s a big problem that churches don’t.

    Exclusivity is the hallmark of holiness. It literally IS holiness.

  14. I’m not understanding how exclusivity equates to holiness. Do you mean that we who are saved are exclusives in this sinful world?

    I do understand the point about kicking folks out.

  15. My mother was Episcopal, never liked going to church with her. Even as a child it was too soft and feminine for my taste. Still, it use to be, in a very real way, the Church of a nation, and the church of many of my Confderate forefathers. I still go with my mother on occasions, I’m the youngest member by decades. I see a lot of good folks there but get the feeling they are more loyal to that church and that building then the gospel. Many I am sure find the familiar a comfort in their last days.

    My father is a signs and wonders man. The outlawed church, without a seminary and the like, is still full of men and families. Nothing keeps a faith true like the state outlawing it.

  16. @Vasc

    To be holy means to be set apart for God, and His purposes. Set apart; separate; exclusively for Him.

    There are many, many ways in which this setting apart occurs, and not all of them are as severely holy as, say, the Ark of the Covenant; which is so set apart that if you touch it you die.The Holy of Holies in the Temple in Jerusalem was a room within a room, within a court, within a court, within a complex. The further in one is allowed to go is a reflection of their holiness. Only the high priests could go all the way into the Holy of Holies. If I remember right: They tied a rope to him, in case he was not pure enough and they needed to drag out his dead body.

    A wife is a man’s ark which only the high priest–her husband–can go into. She, too, has a built-in holy of holies.

    When the writer of Ecclesiastes says there is a season for everything, he is talking about separation of things. There is a time aspect to holiness, too, that is evident even in the motion of the earth into night and day, and the seasons.

    I could go on all night, but I think you get the gist. It’s about order; just as in the beginning God set Adam about the task of bringing order to the Garden and the world.

  17. @Cane:

    Thank you for the explanation. My knowledge of the OT is so limited.

    Obviously, sin is the cause for us to not “advance” in holiness. Some sin (immediate gratification) is hard to avoid; especially being a single man.

  18. Empath:
    “That is not what he meant by shared trauma…sharing grief, things real, terrible, and immediate.”

    True, that’s the trauma he meant…but realistically, do women ever share grief with their husbands or boyfriends? No, they don’t. The minute a real, terrible, immediate disaster happens, the female’s first impulse is to fly into divorce court or otherwise end the relationship. The phony traumas Angry Harry spoke of are the only kinds she’ll stick around for.

  19. Cane Caldo:
    “A wife is a man’s ark which only the high priest—her husband—may enter. She too has a built-in Holy of Holies.”

    Do you really believe that any modern female actually venerates a husband (or any other man) in this kind of reverent way? So far from ‘high priests’ most women would rather pursue the palace eunuch or the court jesters! LOL

    ‘She too has a built-in Holy of Holies.’

    What she more likely has is a built-in STD and a preferred customer coupon with Planned Parenthood. Do you seriously believe that most women are Cinderellas at heart, waiting for a knight in shining armor who values and reverences her?

  20. @Vasc

    “Obviously, sin is the cause for us to not “advance” in holiness. Some sin (immediate gratification) is hard to avoid; especially being a single man.”

    Yes on both counts.

    The important part is having faith in Christ, and remaining truly willing to repent. From there, Christ takes over as we allow.

    If it makes you feel better: Christ and St. Paul actually say it’s harder to be married. Sure, without a holy sexual outlet, you can fall into lust. On the other hand: I might lead my whole family into sin, and surely do at times.


    “Do you really believe that any modern female actually venerates a husband (or any other man) in this kind of reverent way? So far from ‘high priests’ most women would rather pursue the palace eunuch or the court jesters! LOL”

    Well, this works out, then: Most men I know are eunuchs or jesters. A lot of them are that way because they listened to what women said they wanted. The situation is worse than you think. The point of Christ, Eric, is that we do not have to remain so, and neither do women.

    “Do you seriously believe that most women are Cinderellas at heart, waiting for a knight in shining armor who values and reverences her?”

    I seriously believe you just pulled that question out of your ass. There is no way an ordinary reading of what I’ve written could be so misconstrued.

  21. Eric.
    do women ever share grief with their husbands or boyfriends? No, they don’t. The minute a real, terrible, immediate disaster happens, the female’s first impulse is to fly into divorce court or otherwise end the relationship

    Yes. I do. I disagree with you but believe me when I tell you I know why you say what you do based on experience. Having been taken to the precipice of divorce then reconciled, I have the blessing of having seen exactly what you are talking about, but then seeing shared trauma, God allowed and engineered shared trauma that made a woman (and a man) so much better. In fact I’d use it as proof and example.
    Whether is impulse is there or not (because I have impulses too my friend) this is not a life cursed by the things we talk about. I could match you ire for ire and be well founded in doing so. But I wouldn’t be here writing about it if all I saw was the problem. When I was seeing things that way, I had withdrawn from faith, from other people, from work, everything. Its not a good place. If MGTOW is the solution, make something of it. Im not playin NAWALT, because I don’t even believe my wife lacks those impulses. But thank God for a marriage that was born of shared trauma. And thank Him for a wife that, since, has indeed been a pillar or support through things like a bankruptcy and the death of my Mother a few months back.

  22. @Eric:

    Cane did not say MOST women, he indicated the way it outta be according to God. So much of this world is not the way it should be by God’s standards, due to our sinful natures. That is why we love Jesus Christ so much. He covers our sins and imperfections so we can have our relationship with our loving Creator.

  23. Empath:
    “but seeing shared trauma, God engineered and allowed a shared trauma that made a woman and a man so much better. I’d use it as a proof and example.”

    Maybe God did in fact engineer it for that purpose; since what you’re describing sounds like a miracle. I can assure you that I’ve shared a trauma too (and so have most men) and they’ve generally worked out in exactly the opposite way. The divorce statistics alone show that women inflict far more trauma on men than they ever have any interest in sharing.

    “this is not a life cursed by the things we talk about.”

    I have to disagree with that statement. It shouldn’t be, but it genuinely is.

    “When I was seeing things this way, I had withdrawn from faith, from work, from other people, from everything. It is not a good place.”

    I agree it’s not a good place, nor a normal situation. Personally I don’t get any joy out of being single or shunning the company of women—I think it would be ‘nice’ to have a relationship and even a family. But realistically? What today’s women offer us is worse than being single, because generally a man is just as much alone in a relationship as outside a relationship.

  24. Cane Caldo:

    “There is no way an ordinary reading of what I’ve written so be so misconstrued.”

    Substitute the term ‘white knight’ for the way you used ‘high priest’ and you’ll see there was no mistaking what you meant. And when you say things like:

    “most men I know are eunuchs and jesters”

    you basically come across as one of those ‘Stepping Up’ fruitcakes. It’s not men’s responsibility to do anything for women; as long as they choose to remain ungrateful and faithless bitches and treat men as subhumans.

  25. Vascularity777:
    Our sinful natures might incline us to do evil, but the culture we currently live in both encourages bad and uncivilized behavior and punishes correct behavior.

  26. @Eric

    That you see any and all encouragement to men as something done for women reveals you’re the one with the problem.

    Otherwise: Knights and priests do not have the same functions; nor do priests worship temples themselves. Use your brain.

  27. @Empath

    “He said something to the effect that we need to experience problems together. It was not just that we needed to worship together, or sit under teaching together, or tithe together or volunteer together. It was that we needed to be shaped by trauma together. And it was a clear break from The Personal Jesus, if not a direct refutation of same. “

    This is worth re-visiting.

  28. Cane Caldo:
    That wouldn’t be Shaming Language by chance, would it?

    I don’t think I see encouragement to men as done to benefit women at all, or didn’t you bother reading my reply to Empath above? The encouragement men need most is to turn their backs on societal depreciation against them and leave the bitches to fend for themselves.

    “Knights and priests do not have the same function.”

    Not according to most women. According to them, all men are pigs.

  29. We live in such a justifiably angry world. We men have just cause to feel anger at women. Women have just cause to feel anger at men. I just got home from Wednesday evening service at church. The teacher brought up how damaging to a marriage porn and masturbation is. Wives justifiably feel anger about that. We men feel anger at women for being so, so selfish in their way. We men also feel anger at the churches for the leaderships only bringing up the stuff men do wrong and coddle women when they do wrong.

    The only answer for the aforementioned, and really any other issue is to take it to Jesus Christ. Yes, sometimes easier said than done. Especially when a man is alienated from his children. As far as I am concerned my son is everything to me; aside from my faith. No woman will ever mean half to me than what my son means to me. I gave up on marriage and intimate relationships about four years ago when my second wife and me divorced. My son is with my first wife, so that divorce was easy. Now that I am attending church again I have had thoughts of being with a woman again. Then after a few minutes, or a few seconds I mentally chastise myself for thinking so stupidly. I have it easy, so why roll the dice for something that most likely will just end in another disaster?? That is what I ask myself. I believe I am past my bitterness, but not having a woman to share life with is such a limiting life circumstance.

    We all must decide for ourselves what risks we are willing to take in life. Unfortunately risking a woman in today’s culture is really too much.

    Eric, I wish you peace of mind. It sounds like you don’t have any children. I hope you will take the chance with another Christian women again and have a child. I pray for you, Eric. May the Holy Spirit guide your mind and heart as you live out your life in this desperate, broken world….

  30. This is worth re-visiting.

    Maybe revisited as per any number of specific topics/angles. Its too much for me to do generally, that is more suited for you. What I mean is you are gifted at finding threads in scripture that I would never find until someone else shows them.

  31. Empath:
    I wanted to add this to my earlier comment, because it occurred to me as an afterthought:

    “I’m not playing NAWALT…but I thank God for a marriage that was born of shared trauma.”

    The problem with NAWALT—and I’ve noticed this same tendency among married or committed Manosphere bloggers generally—is that it argues from the premise that ‘the exception proves the rule.’ Most men have never experienced a happy relationship; and sadly, most never will. I cannot even conceive of a relationship like you’re describing. Most end in disaster for the man involved; and most so-called ‘courtships’ are anything but exciting and romantic.

  32. You got the wrong guy amigo.

    1. I DO NOT……EVER……EVER present an exception as disproving a rule……EVER

    2. I have experienced both things, fully, the horror and the wonder.

    I understand your cynicism, I am a cynic myself, to a fault.

    None of that changes what i say about my own circumstances, just KNOW that I simply do not refute generalizations with personal stories, or stories of other.

    “Happy” is an accommodation. Thats what makes men better at staying married than women. We will suffer long, and be generally content even while, if pressed, we will admit to some unhappiness.

  33. Vascularity777:
    I’m not sure that I agree that most female anger is justifiable: it seems to me that they are raised and educated to hate men—much the same way that a North Korean would view an American. And of course interested parties sow as much hatred between the genders as possible.

    That being said however, the problem of children is a thorny one. All normal men have a desire to reproduce—unfortunately we require women for the purpose and currently we have a stock of them utterly unfit for either matrimony or motherhood. A child conceived today literally has a greater chance of dying in an abortion mill; or being raised in a broken or dysfunctional family; or receiving a highly defective education than he has any chance of having a normal family or childhood. Those are simply the hard facts of the case. Once in my life I thought of having lots of children; today I’m actually thankful for being childless. That’s not because I don’t like children; it’s because I couldn’t bear to bring them into the world and watch their lives destroyed.

    ‘not having a woman to share my life with is such a life limiting circumstance.’

    To be honest, my own life has improved dramatically without any women ‘sharing’ it.

  34. Empath:
    “We will suffer long and generally be content, even while, if pressed, we will admit to some unhappiness.”

    I agree, but the problem is that women do not reciprocate in kind. They have ZERO concern about how much men suffer and could care less about male contentment. That’s one reason why women initiate so many divorces. The men are willing to work through problems; but the women are not concerned with anything but getting out of it their own selfish interests. Even if most women knew (or cared) that their actions would completely destroy a man—even if it meant his death—they’d have no problem with going ahead.

    Women don’t even care about the children involved. They feel no guilt even about aborting their own children or abandoning them to daycares and social workers. When they break up their families the trauma inflicted on the children doesn’t concern them in the slightest.

  35. @Eric:
    I totally agree that females are conditioned to hate men. That pathology is quite evident. Women begin relationships with a negative mindset about men.

  36. Emp, snake handling churches. Got all kinds of doctrinal issues I am sure, but they are 100% masculine, completely red pill, utterly lacking in political correctness & from best I can, not changed much from my grandfather’s day, but you also cannot find one in the phonebook either

  37. Like I told you at SSM. That’s my peeps. Grew up in Appalachia. KY, Oh, WV borders, Ohio river valley. Snake handlers dime a dozen there

  38. Empath, when it comes down to the basics, the problem is that most churches will not accept that the Bible is the inerrant Word of god which must have full authority over every part of each and every individual Christian’s life and the life of every body corporate. If a church says that it does not matter that a woman comes to church with her head covered, which other parts of Scripture will that church ignore? It can be rationalised away as ‘a cultural construct of its time and place’ but do we then say the same about every difficult verse in the Bible or do we have to find different excuses to ignore them?.

    The next factor is that most churches in the West are majority female churches. I think we all are of the opinion that no matter what, Team Woman does stick together. Rain of shine, hot or cold, right or wrong, a man is always gong to be wrong in the eyes of all of TW, if any one woman says he is wrong.

    It does not matter which denomination one goes to. I, for example, have had a major difficulty with an Anglican clergyman who selectively insisted on adhering to canon law. I have had a run in with a baptist minister who decided that homosexual activity is compatible with Scripture, and I have been a member for about ten years now of a Methodist Church, and all I can say about its theology is ” ’nuff said”. but when I had an 11 year old daughter who actually wanted to attend that church, it was for me the decider.

    But there is some good news too. In a Bible study group, we can argue for Biblical standards at can work with a small group to make that small group a more effective force for the Lord in the community and in the World. We are working on building up to a size where we will have to become two groups. As a group we often carry more weight at a church meeting than would be expected because we support each other in debate, generally having similar views on the topics under discussion. What this means is that we can and do call clergy and other leaders to account using the Bible as our benchmark and it is funny how we have not, for some time, had any sermon that any of us would describe as heretical, although we did have one a few years ago.

    One of the issues that I have with both Catholicism and to a lesser extent Anglicanism, is the extent to which most of the parishioners believe that the words from their clergy are always in line with the gospel and change what they believe to match what they have been told in a sermon. Brought up a Presbyterian, I was taught to weigh the teaching against Scripture and only accept what was in line with Scripture. I am now finding that ordained Methodists Presbyters do not enjoy their understanding of the Scriptures being challenged and we have five out of eleven in the group who are now sufficiently confident of their knowledge of Scripture to do this. What an improvement on even five years ago when it was not unusual to hear, “I don’t know anything about that book. I cannot remember anyone preaching on that in Church”

    I encourage you to stick in there, and join one of the small groups, watching what is said and deepening your won relationship with God, whom you do not yet see, by deepening your relationships with others who follow Him and worship Him with you regularly.

  39. Don’t recall that post Emp, but it’s good to know. My folks are mostly in Va but we’re spread out all over the hills from West Va to Ga.

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