It has happened again–another attempt to discuss the difficulties men and boys face shut down by raging feminists. And thishttp://www.genuinewitty.com/2013/04/06/mens-rights-feminism-at-uoft-we-must-admit-there-are-bigots-on-both-sides/ rather decent minded fellow, trying to see the good in everyone, speaks about it here. As I said, I think he was trying to be fair (he does a reasonable synopsis of the events which is why I brought it up) though I think his point of view is naive, and that the comments section puts things into proper perspective.
What is interesting is reading the comments. The conduct of MRAs and CAFE members was calm, thoughtful and courteous in general as shown in the video. One of the commenters points out this:
If these people are willing to talk rationally then why do they not? No one is silencing them. What has stopped this woman or any other protester from saying something when someone flying the flag of feminism throws every man and child under the bus to make domestic violence synonymous with “violence against women” and why does this need to be done twice as hard in places where domestic violence is more likely to have a male face.
Why do they remain silent when the defenition of rape was changed in the US to specifically. Exclude male victims of female perpetrators.
And why are they so unwilling to come to the defence of their beloved ideology when anyone on the MRA side of things asks for reasoned conversation or public debate of the issues?
Is this about their rights or their fear of losing control of the dialog?
And as another pointed out:
Feminists are judged not so much on the actions of random groups (good or bad), but on their most high profile organisations and political figures.. I.e. the ones who ahve the greatest impact on all our lives.
The dominant ideology of such people is that of gender feminism, with zero concern for men, fairness or equality. They don’t’ want equality of opportunity but equal outcomes, and even then they only want this in areas where women are performing poorly. In fact, even when women outperform men, such as in higher education they’re happy for sexist programmes, scholarships and quotas to continue, thus making the gender gap ever greater.
Even moderate feminists never really condemn the huge amount of hate and sexism in their movement, and most moderate feminists find the term so tarnished that they no longer identify as feminists anyway. As a resuslt it’s become more misandrist and extreme movement by the day.
The tide is, I believe turning. I brought this up though to emphasize that when I was speaking before about the importance of doing positive things, that these are good examples of that. The meetings being held to discuss how men and boys can be helped are very useful–and they also show a contrast of behaviour that cannot help but sway public opinion. When you have someone calmly listening and asking questions while someone snarls obscenities at you–who is being the reasonable one? As stated, nothing prevented these feminists and their supporters from joining in a Q&A or offering another venue for debate–it’s a freaking University, after all. So on both counts–bringing up the subjects in question and on conduct that exposes the foolishness and hypocrisy of the opponents–I think this one is a win.