Women Stop Submitting!!!!

Russel Moore, Dean of the School of Theology and Senior Vice-President for Academic Administration at s the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, has a lot to say on the subject of submission. You know how those Baptists are, all patriarchal and stuff, driving feminists crazy with their constant misogyny.

So what the hell is THIS? Women, Stop Submitting to Men, he writes, in this entry from his blog.

Here we go

a primary problem in our culture and in our churches isn’t that women aren’t submissive enough to men, but instead that they are far too submissive.

“A primary problem”……now “Too often”…..where does the information that backs these claims come from?

Too often in our culture, women and girls are pressured to submit to men, as a category. This is the reason so many women, even feminist women, are consumed with what men, in general, think of them. This is the reason a woman’s value in our society, too often, is defined in terms of sexual attractiveness and availability. Is it any wonder that so many of our girls and women are destroyed by a predatory patriarchy that demeans the dignity and glory of what it means to be a woman?

Women’s value is determined by what women determine it to be. Period. The seeming crisis of low self esteem in the Christian female has women and men casting about for every scape goat but the correct one, the woman herself. The writer takes this so far as to suggest that the evil patriarchy is destroying what it means to be a woman.

In the church it is little better. Too many of our girls and young women are tyrannized by the expectation to look a certain way, to weigh a certain amount, in order to gain the attention of “guys.”

Tyrannized? Oh come on now man, the hyperbole is beyond the pale. TYRANNIZED???? Oy.

But the tyranny apparently doesnt stop there.

Is it really empowerment to have more and more women economically at the mercy of men who freely abandon them and their children, often with little legal recourse?

It seems the poor dears are trampled by men at every turn, at every stage of development, and even if she manages to finally dress provocatively enough to snare one of these dudes, he is apt to just jettison her and take off leaving her with the kids and a broken heart and NO LEGAL RECOURSE.

Lets introduce him to the facts. Feminism has infiltrated the church. Women are as promiscuous or more than men. Women file by far the majority of divorces, and then they just proceed to commit serial monogamy. They have multiple marriages or LTR’s, still adding to the partner count, and then, just when she starts to get a little worn out and rough on the (expanding) edges…..this writer swoops in to rescue them yet again.

Your beauty is found not in external (and fleeting) youth and “attractiveness” but in the “hidden person of the heart” which “in God’s sight is very precious” (1 Pet. 3:3-4). And it will be beautiful in the sight of a man who is propelled by the Spirit of this God.

Yep, sugar, any man who is led of God will gladly grab you up and marry you, never mind you have 2 marriages and have slept through the singles ministry in a series of 6-9 month romances, never mind that you are wrinkled and overweight and exhausted all the time, your friends tell you you are special and beautiful. The professor here does one even better, he says that shouldn’t matter to a Godly man, that its your inner beauty that counts.

Can he be more wrong on all of this?

Are women submitting too much?

Are men causing women low self esteem?

Are men dumping wives leaving women with no legal recourse?

Are men tyrannizing women into being sluts?

Are women beautiful when they decide its time to settle for the nice guy?

Are men cads for caring?

So much for those conservative denominations. They go where they need to go to keep accommodating the women in attendance.


19 thoughts on “Women Stop Submitting!!!!

  1. I guess he finally has realized which side his bread is buttered on, why not abdicate all responsibility and let the women lead? Why fight it. When Jesus takes a back seat he shares it with the men.

  2. Yeah, Moore is way off-base on several things, not the least of which is who is doing the leaving in marriages these days.

    However, his point isn’t that wives shouldn’t submit, but rather that women as a category should not submit to men by virtue of them being men, outside of the husband-wife relationship. I have no argument with that. A wife should submit to her husband, not to any man that crosses her path.

  3. Yes that was clear. I had zero issue with his point about not submitting to other men. What I did have was issue with how he described that as happening. Thats the problem

  4. Yeah this is really a good example of how feminism pervades the evangelical culture. Being a disciple of Albert Mohler’s (they come from the same background), I know this Russell Moore picks up on all the tricks just the same. Like Mohler’s rant about how evil men are using pornography and destroying Christian marriage that he just posted, he starts with something the average Christian could reasonably agree with and then takes that in isolation, without recognizing the other factors in place regarding the issue which women are responsible for creating in their sin. In the end, both Albert Mohler and Russell Moore are holding up the same ideals: That women are blameless and without original sin, and that anything they might do are caused by men. To them, men are 100% to blame for destroying marriage in all things. It’s all just noise in the end.

  5. Much of the problem of these rants is more what they don’t acknowledge than what they do. Wives shouldn’t submit to any man, but to her husband. That part is not questioned, the part is what he imagines as women submitting to other men. Really, he’s just saying that women don’t sin and are only sinning because they are submitting to other men.

  6. I just read through Mohler’s rant. It definitely is going to get a response, especially since it’s a perfect anatomy of feminism and everything wrong with Christian marriage today.

  7. I was reading along and stopped cold in my tracks when I read this sweeping statement: “Women’s value is determined by what women determine it to be. Period.”
    We all, men and women alike, respond to the stimuli we receive in our environment and oftentimes are trained by it, like Pavlov’s dog. We should see ourselves as God wants us to; important enough to have sacrificed His Son for. I am a woman and it is God who determined my value from the beginning, not other women and certainly not myself.

  8. “Is it any wonder that so many of our girls and women are destroyed by a predatory patriarchy that demeans the dignity and glory of what it means to be a woman?”

    Men, on the other hand, have it easy. We only have to deal with dying in wars, frivolous divorce, divorce theft, false domestic violence claims, legislated discrimination in hiring and college admissions, laws aimed at forcing us to earn less under the guise of the “wage gap,” churches that routinely tell us everything that women do wrong is actually OUR fault, pastors who pressure us into marrying carousel riders, cuckholding, nuclear rejection, female gossip mongering, etc.

    So glad we have a predatory patriarchy in our society, or things might REALLY be bad for men.

  9. Your beauty is found not in external (and fleeting) youth and “attractiveness” but in the “hidden person of the heart” which “in God’s sight is very precious” (1 Pet. 3:3-4). And it will be beautiful in the sight of a man who is propelled by the Spirit of this God.

    Inner beauty, a very rare trait in most church-going women, is indeed extremely beautiful. Problem is, this guy assumes it is the common characteristic of every church woman. The fact, is, most Churchian women of marriageable age tody are total EAPs. Any truly devout Christian man will be utterly disgusted by their “hidden person of the heart.”

  10. The illusion is sold even beyond the EAP finding a mate, the illusion is sold through the marriage and the divorce and the next marriage etc.
    A woman commented on Dalrock today in the (brain cramp, forget actress name) actress activist thread , and the woman commenting said she was happy to read that because she knew God would take care of her kids…..

  11. As Camille Paglia said, women in America (and in Canada) are among the most free women in the world, but you’d never think so to hear them tell it. They have ranges of choice undreamt of by women in previous generations.

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  14. With so many promiscuous women, how does a prostitute make any money at all? It’s like selling air for a living.

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